The following letter appeared in the Whitstable Gazette in response to my column of the 28th of July: It’s easy to explain why Corbyn proves popular:

I agree with C J Stone that the future of the Labour Party is uncertain if Jeremy Corbyn were to be re-elected as leader. Sadly for those of us who have supported and worked for Labour over the years, one serious possibility is that the Party ceased to exist in its present format and eventually split along its ideological fault lines.

It is clear that Corbyn cannot command the support of a majority of his Parliamentary colleagues;  rightly or wrongly, the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) passed a motion of no-confidence in him by a majority of over four to one. Prior to this vote, many Shadow Ministers had resigned, leaving some portfolios unshadowed and others sharing their ‘shadow’  – e.g., the Scottish and Northern Ireland departments – such that it had become practically impossible to muster a full and viable opposition.

It is difficult to envisage this changing after the leadership vote; it is simply fanciful to hope or imagine that Corbyn’s re-election would somehow dispel all the doubts and anxieties about his competence as a leader amongst the PLP.  In reality he would surely still struggle to assemble an effective opposition team capable of challenging  and holding  to account a newly-refreshed Conservative government, invigorated by the seamless and painless coronation of Theresa May.

 This would be serious enough in normal times, but with the complications and uncertainties surrounding the Brexit negotiations it would be  nothing short of a crisis of representative democracy for the Parliamentary opposition to be so ‘unfit for purpose’ at such a crucial time. At this point, it is suggested that the majority of the PLP who did not support Corbyn could  ‘semi-detach’ themselves from the rest of the party and form a separate parliamentary group  which, as the second-largest grouping in the House of Commons, would qualify it to assume the role of the official Opposition.

If things had got that far, the stage would have been reached where the differences between the pro- and anti-Corbyn groups had become irreconcilable and it is not impossible to envisage that the separation would then morph into a permanent divorce.

So whilst I agree with C J that Corbyn is almost certain to be re-elected in the Autumn as leader, the question that we have to ask is: leader of what, precisely?   Maybe Labour Party members should be careful what they wish for!

It was signed by Peter Halfpenny, a well-known and respected figure in the Whitstable Branch Labour Party and an ex-Labour councillor. Peter then circulated the letter to prominent members of the Party and to myself with the following note:

Hi,

I’ve submitted the attached letter to the Gazette in reply to Chris Stone’s article last week.  I’m neither seeking – nor expecting – universal popularity!

Peter

What followed was a fascinating debate on the purpose of the Labour Party and its future, which I reproduce here in full in the hope that it may help to enlighten other Party members and supporters in the forthcoming leadership election:

Anne B.

Thanks for letting me see your letter Peter. I think that Owen Jones’ concerns that he has expressed in his blogs sums it up for the left – almost no hope at the moment of gaining power. I can understand the PLP opposition to Corbyn setting up an alternative opposition (dreadful thought that is), but can’t understand some wanting an early election. With the polls showing so badly for Labour they will be like the proverbial turkey! They may see the end of JC that way but many will be out the door by then. If you are on the left or the right of the party it is depressing for all. Best wishes, Anne

Brenda B.

Thanks Pete – very interesting.

You have put into words what I felt but couldn’t clearly express.

Also, what baffles me is that if I express anything that is not in accord with JC’s thoughts or statements friends elsewhere often (not all) go into missionary mode and try to convert me.  They really seem to think JC is the Messiah.  Most of his statements/policies are basic Labour principles but many of the followers think he invented them.   It’s this blind loyalty to one man that I fail to grasp and I dread to think of after-election because I’m sure he’ll be re-elected and then what?!!

Brenda.

Chris Stone.

Peter, it isn’t Corbyn who has sought to split the party as far as I can see. He tried to be as inclusive as possible, and to call on all wings to participate in the shadow cabinet. Unfortunately, it seems that members of the shadow cabinet were less collegiate in their style than Corbyn. They have consistently tried to undermine him. They have bullied him, cut across him, attacked him, employed underhand methods, undermined him, tittle tattled to the right wing press, grandstanded around him, plotted against him, whispered about him behind his back: used every method they could to remove him, obviously because he is “not one of us”.

But that’s precisely why we like him: because he’s not a career politician who would vote for anything in order to get ahead, even a war. A war Peter. A war in which possibly over a million have died (according to the Lancet). In which millions have been made homeless. Which gave rise to Isis, to the mass spread of terrorism in the region, and around the globe. The greatest foreign policy disaster possibly of all time. Lead by that great “leader”, Tony Blair.

So Corbyn isn’t much of a leader. So what? I’d much rather someone with an inclusive world view than that emotionally deformed sociopath and serial liar, Tony Blair, for all of his leadership qualities.

If the point of the Labour Party is to get elected, you have to ask: elected for what?

If it is only to implement the same policies as the Tories, then there really isn’t much point, is there?

Austerity is a lie perpetrated by the elites in order to continue to shift the balance of wealth away from the population, and into their own pockets.

As Adam Smith (that great icon of the right) once said: “The vile maxim of the Masters of Mankind: all for ourselves, and none for other people.”

Using the state as an instrument to defraud the people.

Communism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

How many yachts does Philip Green actually need?

“Sir” Philip Green, knighted at the behest of Tony Blair.

Is this what a Labour government is supposed to do?

Happy to meet and talk about this if you like.

Chris.

Linda K.

Dear all

The Labour PLP should accept the results of the democratic LP  leader election,  and work with him to achieve an effective opposition.  They have never tried…

Best

Linda

Peter Halfpenny.

Hi Linda,

If 80% of UKC’s academics had expressed a lack of confidence in the Vice-Chancellor, and he/she were re-appointed regardless,  how should they reasonably respond?

Peter.

Barbara W.

I absolutely agree. You can’t lead if you can’t unite and inspire your PLP. We need an opposition more than ever but Corbyn retreats to his bunker. You can have a million followers but you won’t win an election. Wilderness awaits. Barbara

Peter Halfpenny

Hi Chris,

Interesting, as ever, to read your take.

As I see it, it all boils down to whether we continue to respect Labour’s primary traditional – indeed, foundational –  role as a method of getting elected representatives into Parliament  with a view of forming a government.  When not in government, these representatives have a constitutional duty  to assemble an effective opposition capable of challenging and holding to account the government of the day.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue, whatever the perceived ulterior motives:  if 80% of these representatives have no confidence in their leader then this simply cannot happen.

 I believe that Brexit has changed our politics irrevocably: holding the Tory Government to account over the Brexit negotiations is arguably the single most crucial issue of our times.   Would it have inspired confidence in this regard to have called for Article 50 to be triggered immediately after the referendum – even if this is now being denied?

Patrick C.

Peter,

Thanks for this.  I now have a touch of Corbynitis.

Do the Corbyinites know where you live?  I’d board up my windows if I were you.

Cheers, Patrick.

Julie W.

Hi,

Thanks for sending me a copy of this, Peter.

I respect your right to reply to Chris via the Gazette and I did actually read your letter in the newspaper but I’m afraid I do not share your views on this issue and, instead, in complete contrast, I totally agree with Chris.

Frankly, I am disgusted by the conduct of the “representatives” (as you put it, Peter) who chose to resign from their positions in the Shadow Cabinet in order to take matters into their own hands and attempt to depose the democratically elected leader of the Labour Party, and, by so doing, showed no respect for “representing” party members like Kas – or supporters like myself. This was a unilateral decision on their part.

I am also disgusted by the decision taken by the NEC to withhold the right to vote (in the upcoming leadership elections) of party members who have joined (or re-joined in Kas’s case) after December, and that of supporters too – unless they all now pay an extra £25 to do so. Outrageous! So…. Kas has paid £3 as a supporter – £40 odd to become a member – then he has had to fork out another £25 in order to get a chance to vote in the upcoming election – as there’s no guarantee that he will pass the vetting process that is clearly in place to prevent as many Corbyn supporters as possible from voting for the man they recognise should be our “representative” as party leader. This is also the same vetting process that in fact denied Chris, himself, a right to vote in the last leadership elections – even though Chris is an affiliated Labour member due to his membership of the CWU. How disgraceful.

Personally, I found the NEC decision so undemocratic, unjust and downright wrong in every way (after all, if this was a product we were purchasing, we would surely be able to sue the Labour Party under the Trades Descriptions Act for repeated demands for payment with no guarantee of a product at the end of it…?) that I actually consulted a barrister about the possibility of taking legal action against the Labour party. Thankfully, I didn’t have to pursue this, as today there has been the welcome news that 5 other party members were found by Justice Hickinbotham (coincidentally, the same judge who recently found in our/Whitstable  Society’s favour for a Judicial Review in respect of the local Oval land purchase campaign) to have had their legal rights to vote in the Labour leadership elections wrongfully withheld by the Labour NEC.

That legal action was taken on those members’ behalf by Kate Harrison (coincidentally, the very same excellent QC who acted for me, pro bono, in the Network Rail campaign in 2012) – and who (also coincidentally) is the former wife of the playwright, Alistair Beaton, who wrote The Trial of Tony Blair amongst other works, including the play, Fracked, which I saw on his invitation recently at the Chichester Festival before I took part in a debate on fracking whch Alistair chaired at the Festival – so there seems to me to be a good sense of justice about all this, finally, thank God.)

When you write ” representatives have a constitutional duty  to assemble an effective opposition capable of challenging and holding to account the government of the day”, I think, Peter, that those rebels who decided unilaterally not to serve under Corbyn might do well to remember that, when it comes to electability, Kinnock certainly proved himself to be wholly unelectable as did Brown and Miliband during all the general elections in which they stood  so, instead of aiming for more of the same in terms of “unelectability”, let them instead rise to the role of being proper “representatives” by respecting the democratic choice of the party members – that choice was,  is and, I suspect, will remain Jeremy Corbyn.

If they have an ideological problem with that, let them go off and join the Lib Dems or form another party of further unelectable centrist politicians who have little to do with the central ethos of the Labour party these days as demonstrated, in the main, by their voting records. I shall not miss them and neither will Kas.

Thanks for copying me in.

I’ve also copied in Kas too.

Best wishes.

Julie

Kevin W.

Peter,

Well done on writing a response so eloquently. You have my support with your views and hope that you will not get shouted down with unfounded nonsense, on the same way that others have recently when opposing Corbyn.

Best regards,

Kevin

Stanley W.

No idea how I made onto your newsletter, but to be clear on my own position, I’m a Labour supporting business owner, long standing member and activist who has been totally inspired by Corbyn. Like tens (hundreds?) of thousands of other younger folks in the UK I’ve never really believed in or trusted Westminster until his leadership campaign came along. I get what you’re saying and I accept there are a number of facts quoted, but my understanding is that you and the PLP are simply on the wrong side of history and you / they need to take that on the chin, stop being such an unnecessarily destructive and reactionary force within the Labour Party and listen to the membership. We’ve lost 2 general elections using the current model and the forecast – Corbyn or not – is that the next one will be even harder to win. It’s going to be an epic project that might take longer than one election cycle, but one that I and the largest group of talented and enthusiastic young people to ever join a UK political party in a 1 year period (by miles) seem ready for.

Everything about the campaign against Corybn has been undemocratic, childishly executed, ill conceived and ultimately a total embarrassment for the Labour Party. If you strip back your letter to the paper it basically says ‘I don’t like party democracy, I’m scared of the future, I’ll try to undermine it’. Get a grip of yourself man.

Stan

Chris Stone.

Hi everyone: I’d like to publish these letters if everyone agreed, as a supplement to the original column.

Might help to make up people’s minds in the coming election.

Chris.

Bernadette F.

Hi Chris,

Trying to work out why this didn’t get through to my inbox (or trash) but thanks to Peter for CCing me in on his reply and his acceptance of a robust response to his letter.

It’s really sweet of you to check I’m ok with stuff but don’t delay anything for that.  I think if anything is a real reflection of views in the party then it should be expressed, provided the expressing is not in any way abusive.  Let’s hope that over time we can recapture the party’s inherent unity, despite our differences.  Clearly, the people desperately need us to do so.

This one is an excellent statement of a view that I think is of incalculable value to the party.  It’s our job to welcome and foster it and its proponents like Stan.  I agree that the PLP is, predominantly it seems, on the wrong side of history but am hopeful that when Jeremy wins (again) most of them will see the light and focus on trashing the Tories and recovering the lost legitimacy of their role in representative democracy.  It’s a shame that, most of the time, the Westminster bubble forgets that local party members and local government matter.

So, Stan, it would be good to capture your interest and participation for the party locally if poss.  Apologies if we have met already:).  Linked in with that, we’re trying to put together ideas about how Labour can work with business in an imaginative way locally and it would be great if you could get involved.

Stanley W.

‘we can recapture the party’s inherent unity, despite our differences.’

I know this is possible for a fact because I did not choose to vote for Corbyn last year – he is/was hardly a typical figurehead of the business community. Like all sensible, decent Labour people should, I have since chosen to be accepting and magnanimous in the face of his frankly super human achievements. In any case, it’s clearly not about the man, but about a huge, unstoppable undercurrent of frustration, dreams and more – especially among the young – that cannot and should not be ignored.

For many years the UK has borne witness to the struggle between a reactionary establishment and progress, it’s helped make us such a dynamic place over the years. It’s no small irony that an older (elderly?) person of such limited conventional political talents became the rallying point for so many young people. That’s what makes the Labour Party establishment look so foolish, so badly positioned on the wrong side of history. Social and political trends cannot be planned, organised, structured, contained or owned on any well intentioned corporate spreadsheet, they are messy, illogical even contradictory at times. They are rare, incredible and spontaneous. They are made of the human energy and engagement necessary to achieve progress.

We live in strange times, here at home and globally, the young and the energised must be trusted to continue to challenge the establishment and continue to make Britain an amazing place. Everyone else should not fight them or pack up and go home but lend them their skills and support to best ensure the best outcome of something that is going to unfold and affect us all whatever.

Peter Halfpenny.

Hi Julie,

I really appreciate your thoughtful reply to my letter, and to my subsequent exchange with Chris, and I do apologise for taking so long to respond.

I actually agree with most what you say about the NEC.  While there’s maybe nothing intrinsically wrong as such in having a  ‘breathing space’  between members joining and being able to vote, the rules should surely be consistent, transparent and able to be clearly understood so that nobody like Kas feels.

that they have been misled.

The issue of the Shadow Cabinet hangs on how we perceive their role.  Are they primarily delegates there to do the bidding of Labour Party members or are they more the parliamentary representatives of their constituents?  Either way, the House of Commons is their workplace and rightly or wrongly they have taken the view that they have no confidence in their boss.

You would argue, I think,  that they should set aside their reservations as the boss was elected by Party members.  But they might reply that it’s them, not Labour members, who are on the front line and have to have day-to-day dealings with the boss. If 80% of the production team behind East Enders had no confidence in the abilities of the programme director would they be able – or willing – to continue to work with said director if he/she were re-imposed by the BBC regardless of their reservations? Even if they ‘grinned and bared it’ would it make for a successful programme in the long-run?

This is how I see things although I respect the fact that you and Chris may well disagree.

I am in the process of an e-mail exchange with another correspondent and will copy you and Chris in.

Best wishes,

Peter x

Julie W.

Hi Peter,

I take your point about: “The issue of the Shadow Cabinet hangs on how we perceive their role.  Are they primarily delegates there to do the bidding of Labour Party members or are they more the parliamentary representatives of their constituents?  Either way, the House of Commons is their workplace and rightly or wrongly they have taken the view that they have no confidence in their boss.”   but I don’t remember seeing a mass exodus of the Shadow Cabinet when ‘leader’, Tony Blair, prosecuted an illegal war in Iraq or pursued policies more in line with the Tory party than Labour, so I’m afraid I think there is something far more worrying going on at the heart of  the party right now (beyond your assessment, Peter) – and I am sure it is the usual Establishment forces trying their damnedest to ensure that we do not have a left leaning opposition in power the idea of which, far from being unpopular amongst the electorate, is gaining ever more popularity.

The same forces were at work against Wilson in the 60s and I’d recommend you read Thatcher’s Secret War by Clive Bloom on that.

There are distinct parallels with what went on behind the scenes in the 60s , Peter. Pressure is being applied, in the media, particularly on and from the BBC, to try to stop Corbyn. I was shocked by a particular interview by Cathy Newman on C4 News the other evening and will include here a Neuro-Linguistic Programming assessment of that particular interview:

Some people are inclined to believe the media – I’m not one of them – I worked in BBC World Service News for long enough to know that even the “impartial” BBC is certainly not impartial – particularly since at the time I was there (during the Falklands War and during the Troubles in N Ireland) World Service news was funded by the Foreign Office. It knows its master…

Here’s the short piece from C4 News and the NLP assesment of it.

Don’t believe everything you read in the press (especially re Corbyn at the mo’)

Best wishes,

J x

Peter Halfpenny

Hello Stan,

I appreciate your thoughtful and passionate response to my letter and also note your subsequent exchange with Bernadette Fisher.

I guess to some extent trying to conduct this debate is like chalk and cheese because as Bernadette will know I tend to see politics primarily as a way of getting things done, rather than as a secular belief system as it seems to have become in some circles.

I make no apology for this for I believe I am following in the great tradition of our founder.  Keir Hardie didn’t set up a socialist debating society or a late Victorian social movement.  He didn’t found the Labour Party merely for workers and suffragettes to leap up and down at outdoor rallies in his honour yelling ‘Keir We Come’.  He too wanted to get things done so he set up the party to put elected representatives into parliament with the eventual aim of forming a government capable of putting aims into practice and achieving change.  When not in government, a convention has evolved in which these representatives have a constitutional obligation to challenge and to hold to account the government of the day and to scrutinise their actions.  This is the essence of representative parliamentary democracy, but it simply cannot work effectively if 80% of their number have no confidence in their leader.

It is simply naïve wishful thinking to imagine that the 80% will somehow ‘see the light’ if Corbyn is re-elected – and indeed why should they?  Several former shadow ministers have given clear and graphic accounts of what they feel to be the lack of support, and actual undermining, by the Leader – the most balanced and poignant in my view being that of Lillian Greenwood, ex- shadow transport spokes.

What is truly ironic about all this is that in any other circumstances we would all as Labour Party members instinctively tend towards solidarity with the workforce rather than with their ‘boss’.  For instance, just imagine how we might react if 80% of the teaching staff in a local school expressed a lack of confidence in their head teacher through lack of support etc., only for the head to be re-instated regardless of their concerns.   Bernadette would not have lasted five minutes as a trade union official had she dismissed her members as being ‘on the wrong side of history’ for having no confidence in their boss.

The reason for this is, I suspect, that we see the PLP almost entirely as LP delegates to do our bidding.  We do not sufficiently respect either their broader – and arguably fundamentally more important – role as representatives of all their constituents, or their function in the process of parliamentary democracy to which I alluded earlier.

You both use the expression ‘on the wrong side of history’ quite freely.  Surely this is an expression that can only be used with the benefit of hindsight after the event? Not being in the Marxist mould, I believe that there is nothing inevitable about human historical development that can be confidently predicted in advance; it’s just that stuff happens and all the ‘unknowns’ – whether ‘known’ or ‘unknown’ (!)  – kick in with unpredictable or unexpected consequences.   Corbyn’s rise to fame itself and Brexit are but two major recent examples.

Having said that, however, the fallout from Brexit might just put Corbyn himself on the wrong side of history. I’m trying to be as dispassionate as I can, but I don’t think he has handled the aftermath of the referendum well.  It was crassly stupid to call for Article 50 to be triggered the morning after the result, after apparently tweeting his congratulations to Gisela Stuart and Kate Hoey (both of Labour Leave).  And he is now showing neither the capability nor the aptitude to hold the May government rigorously to account on this issue.  Meanwhile, a gaping hole is opening up in politics between a right-wing  Eurosceptic Tory Party and a left-wing ‘euro-neutral’ Labour Party – and many of the ‘48%’ are going to start wondering who’s going to be able to stand up for them and speak their language!

It is good to have these exchanges of ideas even if we do not agree.  Perhaps we should compare notes on 24 September?!

Magdalen M.

‘Keir We Come’

That’s so funny. Made me laugh.

Wes McL.

It is possible to conclude that there is a problem with the 80%. A suggestion not an assertion.  Indeed to this could be added the possibility itself that the upper levels of the Party both locally and nationally have also become disrupted.  I will not even start on a complex discussion of how this occurred though obviously consideration must be given to an extended period of power as well as a leadership that controlled influence based on commitment to the “project” rather than selection through democracy. If additional talent was required it was frequently sought from outside the Party by appointment based on project enthusiasm.  PPI and related “business friendly” policy priorities were thrown into chaos by 2009 and adherents of “the project” headed off to directorships and other interests.

The organisation of the Party long before Corbyn had become pretty unfocused and lacklustre best demonstrated in “Donate” buttons and a PLP largely made up of the reserves. Come Corbyn and the declaration of a message that simply had its time but a Party in no condition to respond.As Stan stated message is “not about the man, but about a huge, unstoppable undercurrent of frustration, dreams and more – especially among the young – that cannot and should not be ignored.” And for me the emphasis is on “not about the man” and I suspect the man would agree. The clear relevance of that message does not by definition make him one of the greatest leaders the Party has ever had.  Saying that there is no reason for changing to someone who simply parrots the same message with a couple of what could be seen as pragmatic adjustments.  The job now is to get this message out and if necessary at some future point revisit the issue of our leadership.

Chris Stone

OK Peter, here are some of the ways you are wrong.

“Chalk vs cheese”, “secular belief system” vs “getting things done”.

You’ve set up a false dichotomy there. In fact the majority of the PLP also subscribe to a secular belief system, namely neoliberalism, the idea that the market knows best and can be left to its own devices, and that we can all be “intensely relaxed” along with Peter Mandelson, if the rich get filthy rich.

In fact wealth has a corrupting influence on politics: Witness Tony Blair himself, or any of his acolytes (I’m thinking Patricia Hewitt and Geoff Hoon as examples here).

Which brings me on to the next point where you are wrong: the idea that politics can be reduced to managerialism and that the 80% of members of Parliament who took a vote of no confidence in Corbyn (and who have been undermining him from day one) are in some way like a work force, or a management team. They are not. They are meant to represent their constituents but proximity to the seats of power can also have a corrupting influence, and there has, for a long time now, been a revolving door between big business and government, meaning that for a lot of ex ministers there’s a lucrative job waiting for them after their stint in office.

So this is no innocent bunch of workers taking a vote of no confidence in their boss because he is merely incompetent. No one gave him an opportunity to show his competence in the first place, and there was always going to be a period of bedding in to the job. The party grandees have had it in for Corbyn from the beginning and have been actively undermining him at every opportunity. Why? Because he’s not “one of them”. He’s an outsider. What’s more, he’s an outsider who is challenging the way things have been done in the PLP for more than 20 years now, and who, by his very presence, shows them up for the self-serving careerists they are.

Another problem with the managerial analysis: sometimes some people can be just plain wrong, regardless of their long years of experience.

My favourite economist Steve Keen (not a Marxist) said an interesting thing on Hard Talk recently. He was talking about economists, not politicians, but politicians are informed by economists, so you can lump the two together. He pointed out that in any other profession being so consistently wrong over such a long period would have meant the sack for all of them. You get on a plane expecting and believing that the people who built the plane know what they are doing, and that you are reasonably safe, but in the case of the economy it’s obvious that no one has a bloody clue what they are doing. Witness the crash of 2007: not just a matter of gross incompetence, but of institutionalised corruption on a grand scale. You don’t have to be a Marxist to see this.

What’s worse, no one got the sack for what they did. No one got arrested. No one got put in jail. The same people who made all the decisions that wrecked the economy (while enriching themselves) and that forced austerity on the whole world, are still making the decisions, still taking the benefits, still ruling the world and all the politicians in it, still taking the big bucks while plying the same failed narrative. The big banks are still “too big to fail” and the world is still paying the price for their greed and incompetence.

So we have to ask who our politicians serve, and when it becomes clear that they are serving the wrong masters, we have to be able to get rid of them.

The tide that put Corbyn into power in the Labour Party is the same rising tide that carried Bernie Sanders almost to becoming the Democratic Party nominee in the US, that put Syriza into power in Greece and Podemos in Spain, to name but three. There are many more. It is also, unfortunately, fuelling the rise of Donald Trump and the populist right generally. That’s what we mean by “the right side of history”. Conventional politics has failed. We are back in the 30s, and the choice isn’t between one set of managers and another, its between democracy itself and the looming spectacle of fascism rising up on the same tide.

So neoliberalism (for want of a better word: you can call it Thatcherism, if you like, or Monetarism) is indeed a secular belief system that has got into the very bones of the PLP and which needs to be challenged on every level.

Who gave us PFI? The Labour Party. Who bailed out the banks? The Labour Party. Who oversaw the continuing shift in wealth from the less well off to the very wealthiest, while maintaining a stance of “intense relaxation” at the process? The Labour Party.

We need a new economic outlook, one similar to the one the Labour Party took in 1945, when, despite the huge deficit (many times greater than the one we have now), we borrowed into order to build and invest, and which saw, paradoxically, a consistent fall in the National debt in the following years: unlike the austerity narrative which has seen the economy stagnate and both government and private debt continuing to rise.

Finally Peter, I have to say your characterisation of Corbyn supporters as a bunch of thoughtless idiots is frankly insulting. With reference to Keir Hardie: “He didn’t found the Labour Party merely for workers and suffragettes to leap up and down at outdoor rallies in his honour yelling ‘Keir We Come’.”

Do you think that’s what we are?

Doubly insulting when you attach it to the name of Keir Hardie, who also, like Corbyn, spent most of his career arguing against the prevailing orthodoxy of his day.

Hardie was a socialist and he wouldn’t have given any time at all to Blairite managerialism or neoliberal lies.

To quote from his famous “sunshine of socialism” speech:

“These cruel, heartless dogmas, backed up by quotations from Jeremy Bentham, Malthus, and Herbert Spencer, and by a bogus interpretation of Darwin’s theory of evolution, were accepted as part of the unalterable laws of nature, sacred and inviolable, and were maintained by statesmen, town councillors, ministers of the Gospel, and, strangest of all, by the bulk of Trade Union leaders. That was the political, social and religious element in which our Party saw the light. There was much bitter fighting in those days. Even municipal contests evoked the wildest passions. And if today there is a kindlier social atmosphere it is mainly because of twenty-one years’ work of the ILP.”

Remind you of anything Peter? Sounds like Hardie was struggling with the same forces we are fighting today.

Chris.

Anne B.

Hi Peter, Makes interesting reading. I (like most LP voters, not particularly members) am in despair at the state of the party. I joined in 1956 at the time of the Suez crisis but I feel that this is the worse  time of all that the party has been through. I do not not like the type of adoration that is being given to JC it has become rather like a pop star and although I want something far different from the previous Labour Government I don’t think that we will ever win an election with Jeremy as leader – let’s hope I am wrong. Anne

Rita O’B.

Chris

This is a good analysis of what is happening – particularly the response of the PLP. I haven’t heard one of the rebels consider publicly why the other three 2015 candidates were so comprehensively rejected. None of them have engaged with the policies, which are the real reason people support Corbyn!

I think your point “he’s not one one us” is at the heart of it; many of the MPs who have been in leadership positions just cannot accept it – it wasn’t meant to happen! Possibly if they had, most of the others would have fallen into line.

We don’t know what might have been achieved if this little revolution had been given a chance!

Rita

Julia S.

Hi Peter,

Of course we understand and appreciate Keir’s aims and his philosophy and of course we understand how representative parliamentary democracy works – some of us have even studied it closely.  However, people have lost faith and trust in successive politicians who say one thing and do another. People like Jeremy’s honesty, his values and his unwavering consistency in terms of living and speaking up for them.  Rightly or wrongly they believe him rather than others who they feel will let them down – again.

You and I have often talked about pragmatism and what it is like to be in a position of power.  It isn’t easy but so often pragmatism turns into compromise – or worse still – adoption of policies that deny what socialists stand for – simply to appease the powerful elements of the right who so often are faceless and unknown to the masses.  Time and time again this has happened – not just in opposition but in power. I believe that many good Labour politicians with good intentions of which we would approve have gone into  power thinking that they will achieve what we want by stealth but inevitably have compromised and large swathes of people have been let down as a consequence.  People have had enough.  They are looking for a new kind of politics which is honest, true and straightforward.  You and I know that will be very hard to achieve in the face of powerful rich opposition but people are prepared for a leap in faith – wanting someone who is prepared to take on this challenge.  Who is there to do this?  Do you think that person is Owen Smith with his history of bewildering u-turns?

Whoever wins, I will be supporting Labour and piling pressure on him (as it will be a him) to promote socialist principles and policies – working to have them implemented.  Whoever wins, the membership of the LP, the PLP and all the Labour movement should stop bickering and be united in this effort. It’s pure self indulgence to do otherwise.

If the people at the helm have difficulty in working with each other they must strive to overcome this.   Jeremy has shown that he wants to be inclusive and if the PLP believes this hasn’t worked in practice they must hold him to account on this.  He isn’t a dictator.

Julia xxx

Chris Stone

And finally, as a last word from myself, the man who initiated this interesting debate by my column, I’d just like to point out to visitors how respectful and comradely this exchange has been. Not at all as we have been characterised in the press.

It’s a genuine historical document and shows, I think, a pretty good cross-section of opinion in the Labour Party at this crucial time in its history.

Thanks for reading.

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